<Saladofstones> Well the tonkin incident was meant to escalate the war
<Saladofstones> what helped was the confusion
<Saladofstones> see intelligence fucked up, and thought there were two incidents at first
<Saladofstones> because in that day, it was hard to determine whether or not two or more people were talking about the same incident from different perspectives
<Saladofstones> NSA and CIA clarified that it was one, but the congress members who wanted war ignored later findings to escalate the war
<Saladofstones> which ended well for both sides
<Saladofstones> we got rid of our surplus of toxic chemicals, napalm, and poor people
<Saladofstones> and Vietnam got rid of its surplus of poor people, trees, and natives
<Saladofstones> Ho Chi Minh and Nixon were seen hi-fiving each other over how well it went and went on to drink beer in Michigan Central's Pub

<Puffin> I thought Dr. Who was supposed to be a whimsical show for small children
<taelor> isn't there a spin off with tons of sex and violence.
<Rig> Yeah
<Rig> Torchwood.
<Myrmidon> Well DW is supposed to be more of a family show
<Barcode> iirc doctor who still features shit like demons that snap people's necks when they're not looking and stuff, so like. not toddlers
<Nitya> don't you remember that carmen sandiego episode where she steals American credibility in 'nam

<Barcode> Penguin asked for a book recommendation, RocketDude suggested a battletech novel (?????) that had Vietnam parallels, JBridge didn't understand one of the parallels, saladofstones started talking about it because that's his job~