<Rotty> poni, "civilization" means "city-dwelling". Without farming, you can't support cities.
<GMH> wait
<GMH> since when did civilization mean city-dwelling?
<Logopolis> GMH: He's No-True-Scotsmanning
<BonSequitur> GMH: Since Rottweiler decided that ethymology is the final arbitrer of word usage and meaning.
<ponicalica> GMH: I think "civilization" does in fact derive from the Latin word for "city".  But that doesn't mean shit.
<GMH> yeah?
<GMH> well, it's so excellent it's egregious!
<ponicalica> To pull out an old example I've used a bunch of times: AMBULANCES DO NOT WALK.
<BonSequitur> 'Civilization' <- Civitas
<Rotty> You can't have civilization without the civis.
<GMH> actually
<GMH> i can
<GMH> i only need "civi"