<Rotty> poni, "civilization" means "city-dwelling". Without farming, you can't support cities. <GMH> wait <GMH> since when did civilization mean city-dwelling? <Logopolis> GMH: He's No-True-Scotsmanning <BonSequitur> GMH: Since Rottweiler decided that ethymology is the final arbitrer of word usage and meaning. <ponicalica> GMH: I think "civilization" does in fact derive from the Latin word for "city". But that doesn't mean shit. <GMH> yeah? <GMH> well, it's so excellent it's egregious! <ponicalica> To pull out an old example I've used a bunch of times: AMBULANCES DO NOT WALK. <BonSequitur> 'Civilization' <- Civitas <Rotty> You can't have civilization without the civis. <GMH> actually <GMH> i can <GMH> i only need "civi"